The Small Faces - Interview @ Designer Magazine
- ️Alex McCann
THE SMALL FACES
By Sean Egan
Its pop, its rock, its soulful, its mod. Its different. It was music of the times really but it seems to last.
So says Ian McLagan when asked to describe for those who haven't heard it the music of the Small Faces, the band for whom he played keyboards from 1965 to 1969. The question is largely irrelevant in the Small Faces native UK where the band racked up half a dozen top ten hits including Sha La La La Lee, All or Nothing and Lazy Sunday - and are staples of oldie radio stations. In the States, however, the bands eclectic sound (about which many would add psychedelic and vaudevillian to McLagans adjectives) is less familiar: they made only two minor entries on the Billboard chart with the quasi-novelty Ithcycoo Park and the fiery, stylish Tin Soldier. Nonetheless, the band have a cult following in America, partly because of their discernibly large influence on musicians like Paul Weller, Oasis, Blur, Quiet Riot and even the Sex Pistols (who performed a live version of their first single, Whatcha Gonna Do About It).
As if to prove McLagans assertion of imperishability, he and fellow surviving Small Faces member drummer Kenney Jones are currently promoting Ultimate Collection a TV-advertised, two-CD package from Britains Sanctuary label released on May 26th. It is the first Small Faces collection to both have the bands official seal of approval and to gather together tracks from their two separate, distinctive career halves: their time spent making blue-eyed soul for the Decca label and the period spent with Andrew Loog Oldhams independent Immediate in which they embraced the weird and wonderful modes of the late Sixties (and anticipated some of them: the narrative suite on side two of their 1968 album Ogdens Nut Gone Flake predated all other rock operas). There is no similar package available in the American market, something which saddens the pair, as does most of the activity of Charly Records, owner of the bands catalogue in all territories outside the British Isles.
The Small Faces were rarely treated well by any label that released their music. As a consequence, neither the bands gravel-throated vocalist/guitarist Steve Marriott (who died in a fire in 1991) or his songwriting partner and Small Faces bassist Ronnie Lane (a 1997 casualty of MS) ever saw a penny in royalties in their lifetimes from the millions of units the band shifted. Only the work of a no-win, no-fee lawyer appointed by Jones has subsequently secured the release of performance royalties.
We spoke to both surviving members of the Small Faces about these and other matters
HOW IS THIS NEW COMPILATION FROM SANCTUARY DIFFERENT
FROM ALL THE PREVIOUS SMALL FACES COMPILATIONS?
McLAGAN: The great thing about this is that its
25 tracks form the Decca first couple of years and 25 tracks form
the Immediate years. Though theres been compilations before, its the
first one thats been done with our co-operation and involvement. Previously,
whenever its been done its just been put together by Charly records and
whipped out and that's the end of it. We only know about it until we read
about it or see it in the record store in a Australia. This one, weve
been consulted right from the beginning and I've actually made a couple
of changes here and there and corrected the liner notes where there were
slight inaccuracies and spelling mistakes. Its nice to feel involved in
our own product. Its ever been done properly til now.
JONES: Its different because it combines the
two halves of the catalog. The first original one, which is from day one
with Decca and then later the Immediate days. I've been wanting to do this
for many many years and at last we seem to have got the two different labels
to come together as one and to view the band as one. Once you listen to
the two halves together, you could really get a feel for the progression
of the band and the way it evolved [in] technique and songwriting ability
and different productions.
NICK WATSON WAS THE RE-MASTERING SUPERVISOR ON
ULTIMATE COLLECTION. HOW DID HE DO?
Jones: I thought, Oh okay, here we go, another
compilation album. Were gonna put the two together. Fine. I thought,
Oh they're just gonna clean it up but its better than that. The sound
quality, its almost like a re-mix. I never did believe it until
I heard it. I thought, All theyre gonna do is clean it up so its
got no hiss on it and stuff like that but its got a lot more bottom end
and they've managed to bring every instrument out as it should be and project
it.
HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN RECEIVING ROYALTIES FOR SMALL
FACES RECORDS?
McLAGAN: Since 97 from the Immediate catalogue
and from 91 from the Decca catalogue. We did it on spec. We had help and
we pay for that: every time we get a check, that person gets a check too.
Kenneys diligence and tenacity from day one he hasnt stopped, hes
still in there fighting for the Small Faces and hes really done wonders.
JONES: We got screwed all the way down the line
by everybody. Im looking into the publishing side of things now. Thats
my next mission.
HOW IS IT CHARLY OWNS AMERICAN RIGHTS TO SMALL FACES
PRODUCT?
McLAGAN: I havent the faintest idea. I don't know how
Sanctuary owns the Immediate catalogue. Andrew Oldham claims to own the
Immediate catalogue but they laughed him out of the High Court in England.
We never had the rights to our recordings when we were with Decca because
we were never signed to Decca. We were signed to [manager] Don Arden who
leased our tapes to Decca and when we left him he had no more tapes to
lease to Decca so we had no contract with him so we left him.
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE WAY CHARLY MARKETS THE BANDS
CATALOGUE?
JONES: Because the individuals who were in the
Small Faces are all well known anyway from various other bands after the
Small Faces people would buy this album in America. Our record sales for
the rest of the world are not as good as they are for England. I don't
know what they do, Charly. My feeling is, if weve got a catalogue it should
be worked. I don't think Charly are working the catalogue to the best of
their ability. What theyre doing is cashing in and licensing it off to
small-time petty labels who only look to make a quick killing.
THOUGH YOU NEVER BROKE AMERICA, YOU SEEM TO BE BECOMING
POPULAR THERE POSTHUMOUSLY
McLAGAN: My website has a Small Faces page and
a Faces page. I get more e-mails from America now than I used to get about
the Small Faces. I got Ogdens.. and Odds And Mods for sale on my site
and I just sent five of each out yesterday. It's not bad
People [in America]
would have heard only Itchycoo Park and maybe Tin Soldier unless they
caught on. I get e-mails from kids of 18, 20, whatever, saying it's their
favourite band, cos they've seen videos, they hear the records, they sound
good.
HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE SMALL FACES MUSIC TO PEOPLE
WHO HAVE NOT HEARD IT?
McLagan: Its difficult. Its pop, its rock,
its soulful, its mod. Its different. It was music of the times really
but it seems to last.
Jones: If they want to see where each individual
came from cos my name in Americas quite well known, sos Ian McLagans,
from the Faces days - if they want to see where we came from before then,
go buy this album.
KENNEY ONCE SAID THAT HES VERY JEALOUS OF BANDS LIKE
THE WHO AND THE ROLLING STONES WHO ROSE ABOVE THEIR BICKERING TO SUSTAIN
A LONG CAREER. DO YOU THINK THE SMALL FACES COULD HAVE BEEN AS BIG AS THOSE
GROUPS IF YOUD SURVIVED?
McLAGAN: I agree. I do have a certain amount
of envy for The Who and the Stones just cos they carried on. Look at the
Grateful Dead, for example. Im not a fan but they just ploughed on
and whatever arguments they might have had they just sort of said, Well
okay and carried on. A band is like the universe: every band is constantly
exploding. Too much time spent together: you can't help but want to do
something that nobody else wants to so you have to go off and either make
a solo album or you leave the group. Its constantly happening. I like
the idea of a band like the Stones who get on with it.
JONES: I have no doubt that we wouldve. The
reason that The Who and the Stones are successful is because they stuck
together through their problems, whereas we didn't.
KENNEY, YOU'VE BEEN IN TWO HUGE GROUPS, THE FACES
AND THE WHO, YET YOU PROBABLY GET ASKED ABOUT THE SMALL FACES FAR MORE
THAN THOSE TWO BANDS. WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS?
Jones: Because the Small Faces is an institution.
Its got so many fans and so many music orientated appreciation. I can't
believe how many bands we influenced. I find out something new every day,
apart from the obvious: Paul Weller and Oasis and Ocean Colour Scene. Theres
loads of em. I view the Small Faces catalogue as important as the Beatles.
It is a statement and Ill stand by it.
- Sean Egan
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