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To-do list for Rwandan genocide: edit · history · watch · refresh · Updated 2024-11-17 Talk page only: Collapsing long list of French/German sources Racism, pp 5-6:   French: Le Rwanda sous le régime du mandat belge (1916-1931) Google Books   French: Rapport Annuel du Territoire de Nyanza (1925) - Can't find in a search yet...   French: Rwanda de la féodalité à la démocratie 1955-1962; souvenirs d'un compagnon de la marche du Rwanda vers la démocratie et l'indépendance - dated 1986, but Google Books says 1989. Also the citation doesn't have anything past the semicolon   French: Rapport sur l'administration belge du Ruanda-Urundi (1925) Not sure this is the correct one, dated 1927 "The" Tropics (1958) by Jean-Paul Harroy - I didn't see a title in the citation, but this is my best guess. Not currently on my verification checklist at the moment. Page 10: "Rwandese monarchy". At this point, someone interested could probably break this and the above out into Ruanda-Urundi or a separate article.   French: Peuples et rois de l'Afrique des lacs (1977) - Google Books - Seems authoritative, and may be written from an African POV Page 14: The Cohesion of Opression (1988) - published by the Columbia University press that seems to have been overlooked in the bibliography page.   French: Les clans du Rwanda ancien (1971) - Google Books Rwanda crisis gives plaudits to this book for its detail on Rwandese clans.   French: Afrique, la face cachée (1992) - Google Books Rwanda crisis takes pains to point out this book was written by a Tutsi when citing the Belgian actions of replacing Hutu chiefs. Page 23-ish: Only a brief mention of the German impact, but apparently is sourced from: Ruanda-Urundi, 1884-1919 (1963) (William Roger Louis, University of Michigan)   German: Ruanda und Deutschland seit den Tagen Richard Kandts (1988) Google Books   French: Le blanc est arrivé, le roi est parti (1987) - Google Books - published in Kigali. Important book from Rwandan POV Page 46: "Quota Democracy" Rwanda and Burundi (1970) (René Lemarchand, University of Michigan again) Page 47: UNAR. It's the Cold War; the book describes the UNAR as being backed by Communist countries. According to the books, this was around the time Belgian-Tutsi relations began to sour, to the point of "letting [the Hutu] burn Tutsi houses without intervening". Looks like this (seemingly, at the moment) important detail is missing from this article and the Rwandan civil war... adding these details might take a while. And of course, the cited source below is also in French...⸺(Random)staplers   French: Afrique, la face cachée (1992) - (Partially) blames the Cold War. Confusing aftermath. See above for details. Page 50: Perceived aristocracy. By ithe time of independence, the book points out that, despite popular views, average incomes for Tutsi and Hutu were roughly the same: (4439 Tutsi, 4249 Hutu, 1446 Twa, Excludes politicians).   French: Le niveau de vie des populations rurales du Ruanda-Urundi (1961) - Page 203. I can't seem to find the 1961 year on Google books, though. Church and Revolution in Rwanda (1977) Page 53: Pre-genocide violence against the Tutsi ("150 Tutsi were killed around Astrida (Butare) in September-October 1961, 3000 houses [burned]... 22000 [displaced]" See: Rwanda and Burundi (1970). Apparently came from a report by Richard Cox for the The Sunday Times. Page 76: The country falls into a single party system under Juvénal Habyarimana French: Le Monde on 1982-10-07 Page 79: "'Land of 1000 foreign aid workers'" (as of 1989) French: Le désenchantement de la coopération (1989) - Google Books I'm going to skip Chapter 3, as it mostly concerns the Rwandan civil war. But interestingly, on page 104, the author admits they are a French speaker. Hence the large amount of French sources from this book. See also Found in the UNAR article: When Victims Become Killers Colonialism, Nativism, and the Genocide in Rwanda (2002)

I find the placement of the Coming To Terms With The Rwandan Genocide video (with a big YouTube logo) to be a little odd. Does anyone object to me moving the box to Media and popular culture? Bitspectator ⛩️ 17:58, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Moved it. Bitspectator ⛩️ 21:22, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bitspectator The placement of external videos are there because of the length of the article, and they come from primary sources, as well as snippets of audio from radio broadcasts. I don't think they should be moved. ——Randomstapler's alt 00:35, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's really the "via YouTube" which I find tonally jarring with the genocide infobox. I'll remove that while keeping the location the same. But if you revert again I won't object and will leave it as it. Bitspectator ⛩️ 01:04, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that's fine.——Randomstapler's alt 01:05, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The image is kind of odd.... in the latest GA article I did it was recommended that a generic link would be more neutral see Canadian peacekeeping. Moxy🍁 01:20, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These academic analyses on Rwanda and its history are dense. Any bold attempt to go through this linked FAQ, and read through these otherwise unseen references, with bold edits, to help ensure WP:NPOV would be appreciated.

This request is not limited to this protected article! If you are a new user, we'd appreciate you editing Rwandese National Union and Ruanda-Urundi, which new users can edit right now. The sources listed in the above linked FAQ can be used to improve those articles too.⸺(Random)staplers 05:33, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The title should be Tutsi Genocide or Genocide of the Rwandan Tutsis by the Hutu

"Rwandan Genocide" is like calling the Holocaust "European Genocide", it's genocide denial. Ptaah75 (talk) 10:59, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: page move requests should be made at Wikipedia:Requested moves. M.Bitton (talk) 13:49, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mut.Greg (talk) 12:12, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Mut.Greg, Randomstaplers, Indy beetle, Wowzers122, and Applodion: I'm just starting a talk page discussion here to discuss the edits that have been on this article in the past couple of days. The edits by Mut.Greg include changing of the name to "genocide against the Tutsi" as well as changing the figures for death toll (such that they don't match the citations) and inserting other uncited material.

Note that they have also been making similar edits to the "Rwandan genocide" nomenclature at Paul Kagame and also changing the image used at that article. I don't think the edits to either of these articles have consensus and are borderline disruptive. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 14:26, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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In the Media and Popular Culture section, add at the end that Stromae made a song called, "Papaoutai", that talks about his father. IHateMarioKart123 (talk) 22:18, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Thank you. Bitspectator ⛩️ 03:12, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Many foreign reporters were in Rwanda during the genocide, 15, 20, maybe 30. They often moved around the country, with UN convoys for example, but sometimes quite alone, they interviewed the head of Interahamwe. This was all possible because the status of the press was still different than today, they were white and not targeted, they were tolerated by the Hutu government. None died there. Revery (talk) 10:48, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

UN and UNESCO had almost make move to call it right: the 1994 genocide against the tutsi in rwanda, so let not wikipedia be miss lead Reacher, and regular users. on this by Rwanda genocide

https://www.unesco.org/en/days/tutsi-genocide

https://www.un.org/en/preventgenocide/rwanda/ D.June10TH (talk) 19:39, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

People that just want to read a summary and not the whole article don't really get any information from the opening summary paragraphs tbh. Like it's pretty much just: This was a genocide between two ethnic groups, 600k died.

Great. I already knew it was a genocide.

Many Wikipedia articles suffer from this problem tbh. Alexysun (talk) 00:23, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Rwanda was divided into 11 prefectures and 145 communes in 1994." Just an idea, but because this genocide is increasingly compared to the Holocaust, studied by Holocaust centers, maybe it could be described for each prefecture (in separate subarticles?). Revery (talk) 18:44, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

“maintained the Rwandan tradition of obedience to authority, carried out the orders without question.”

I call bullshit. Tradition of blind obedience?! Oh it’s my culture to fucking jump off a cliff if my master commands it. Yeah fucking right. 50.171.30.102 (talk) 08:38, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]