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Thanks for your contributions to CW Chu College. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability and those sources should be reliable and independent of the subject. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 01:05, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, Cfls

Welcome to Wikipedia! I edit here too, under the username MPGuy2824 and it's nice to meet you :-)

I wanted to let you know that I've asked for a discussion about the redirect Zhujianbu, created by you. Your comments are welcome at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 1 § Zhujianbu.

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-MPGuy2824 (talk) 08:47, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, hi.

I notice that you've added the phrase "shortly as" to the secondary or familiar names of some colleges and universities - e.g. Washington State University Vancouver; Washington State University Tri-Cities. I've never seen that construction before. I an reading it to mean about the same as, "shortened to", or "also known as", and wonder whether those more familiar phrases might be more suitable and less confusing to the average reader. Do you have examples of the phrase in common use elsewhere? Thanks in advance.

Also, is there any particular reason why at Michigan Law School you prefer "branded" to something more direct like, "also known as"? I suppose there's nothing pejorative about the word "branded", but it indicates that "Michigan Law" is how the school instructs people to refer to it when in fact it's just - what people call it, with or without the school's efforts. Thanks in advance for that too! JohnInDC (talk) 01:06, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again. I just went ahead and changed "shortly as" where I could find it to something more suitable. A search of English Wikipedia only turned it up in a few places, so it's not a standard English phrase that somehow I've not encountered. Sorry to have bothered you with that. JohnInDC (talk) 12:20, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Cfls. Thank you for your work on UHawaii. Another editor, Kingsmasher678, has reviewed it as part of new pages patrol and left the following comment:

Thanks!

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Kingsmasher678 (talk) 18:44, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Cfls! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor at Xiran Jay Zhao that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a specific definition on Wikipedia—it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Thank you. Sariel Xilo (talk) 00:12, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1. The "Chinese-born" is a summary from the content of the article. It was not contested in the main article, so that it was perceived not to be a "subject of a dispute".

2. Adding native name with reliable sources to articles is a common practice in Wikipedia. Please stop reverting the article, and gain consensus in Talk before you make any further reversion. Cfls (talk) 00:16, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just so you know, you generally don't have to specify HTTPS for most domains, where it is often the default when available and no protocol is specified. Remsense ‥ 论 15:32, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't consider it constructive to revert all of these edits. Also you may know that, "it is often the default when available and no protocol is specified" is a browser-dependent feature. You should not assume that all browsers will attempt the HTTPS connection first. In addition, if the first connection is made using HTTP and the website is not set up to automatically forward HTTP traffic to HTTPS, the latest version of Google Chrome will automatically disconnect the connection to the website in Incognito and require the user to click and confirm before the connection is proceeded. I believe that clarifying the connection protocol used by sites when they support HTTPS will improve information security and provide greater safety for all Wikipedia readers. My suggestion is that you might consider reversing any of your previous revertion edits that involved removing the HTTPS protocol. Thank you. Cfls (talk) 17:42, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Even if it does, I don't see what the point is: HTTPS doesn't obscure that a connection was made to a particular domain, so if pages are served in HTTPS it makes no difference for privacy if an attempt is made in HTTP first. Remsense ‥ 论 18:10, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What I mean is that it depends on the website itself whether to redirect HTTP traffic to HTTPS. Some websites configure it, while many do not. In addition, some browsers may try HTTPS first and then HTTP if it fails. However, this is a browser-dependent feature, not universal. Many browsers do not support this feature. Cfls (talk) 13:54, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abbreviation of provincial committees of the CPC/CCP. For example, Hunan Province, its name is CCP Hunan Provincial Committee, officially CPC Hunan Provincial Committee. Huangdan2060 (talk) 10:42, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A reliable source is needed in any case. Cfls (talk) 15:02, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Full names about Special Committees of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference. "Committee of Education, Science, Culture, Health and Sports" is short for "Committee of Education, Science, Health, and Sports of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference" or "Committee of Education, Science, Health, and Sports of the CPPCC National Committee". Sentences in the source: "The Committee of Education, Science, Art, Health, and Sports of the CPPCC National Committee will be renamed the Committee of Education, Science, Health, and Sports of the CPPCC National Committee." source: https://cset.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/t0280_PRC_reform_plan_2018_EN.pdf, page 30. Why delete their full names? Huangdan2060 (talk) 12:55, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They are the Special Committees of the National Committee of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference. The official English name does not have any redundant suffix, per official source. Moreover, the parent organizations of these Special Committees have already been clearly specified in the lede of the entry. No need for this redundancy. Cfls (talk) 20:17, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In English media in China, Special Committees of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference are given in full, for example: "Zhang Xiaolian, deputy head of the Committee on Economic Affairs of the 13th National Committee of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference, is under investigation for suspected severe violations of Party discipline and the law." source: Chinadaily; "Gou, also a deputy head of the Committee on Ethnic and Religious Affairs of the CPPCC National Committee, is investigated by the Communist Party of China Central Commission for Discipline Inspection and the National Commission of Supervision, according to the statement." source: Xinhua--Huangdan2060 (talk) 13:00, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't remove the {{R from page move}} from redirects after a page move, as you did at Ministry of Education and Training (Vietnam), Ministry of Labour, Invalids and Social Affairs, and Federal Statistical System of the United States. There's no good reason for doing so and it's very misleading for folks who patrol or visit these redirects. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:57, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Got it! Thank you so much for the notice!!! Cfls (talk) 17:58, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am so sorry for not knowing this. I will not remove the "R from page move" afterward. Thank you and have a good day! Cfls (talk) 18:00, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I thought it was a placeholder for people to replace with a more accurate description/explanation for the redirection. I am sorry for my misunderstanding. Again, thank you for the notice! Cfls (talk) 18:01, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, these things happen. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:03, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, can you tell me why you changed archive settings? Bogazicili (talk) 18:10, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Talk page is too long. Adjust the archive settings to better facilitate readers and editors to navigate the Talk page, participate in timely discussions, and contribute to new discussions. Cfls (talk) 18:14, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your alternation to at least 8 topics will make the Talk page unnecessarily long and hard to navigate. Cfls (talk) 18:17, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's too long because there are ongoing issues. This is a contentious topic.

5 topics is ok though, please do not change other settings. Bogazicili (talk) 18:24, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Would putting the portrait of Yoon in the background section be an acceptable compromise? It's still a relevant image and we should not be relying on sidebars to show images per WP:SIDEBAR, since sidebars don't show on mobile. Thanks, charlotte ^👸♥📱 06:35, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay... but it would be better to be replaced by the scene photo of the congressional voting that will be held later this week. It is good to show the portrait of Yoon for now. Additionally, please consider to leave an invisible comment there after the portrait of Yoon for future updates. Thank you. Cfls (talk) 06:39, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks; I've just remembered I can use {{if mobile}} so the image is in the sidebar on desktop but still shows on mobile, which is probably the best option. charlotte ^👸♥📱 06:43, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Great! Nice to hear that. Have a good day! Cfls (talk) 06:44, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You moved numerous articles to titles based on official names, in violation of longstanding policy and consensus that WP uses titles based on common names. Please familiarize yourself with WP:COMMONNAME and the two decades of lengthy debates that went into that policy as currently formulated. The WP community has had this debate dozens of times and the consensus was that we don't use official names. For example, we use the common name United States rather than the official name the United States of America. Coolcaesar (talk) 14:14, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And then I just refreshed my memory and we already had this discussion in January 2024. I remember now why we had a disagreement. You did not understand the fundamental difference between WP essays, guidelines, and policies. It's the policies that control. See WP:POLICIES. --Coolcaesar (talk) 14:22, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:GOODFAITH. Accusing "disruptive" is not assuming good faith in any sense. Cfls (talk) 16:10, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You were throwing a lot of accusations at me, instead of discussing the issue itself. Cfls (talk) 16:15, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's back to discussing the topic itself. If "UCSB" and "UCR" were the WP:COMMONNAME for both of the schools, I suppose we did not see that our Wikipedia main articles for those schools were UCSB and UCR instead. Cfls (talk) 16:16, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is also the same case for other University of California schools. However, I am open for discussion and looking forward to reading your opinions, as long as your responses are practicing WP:GOODFAITH. Cfls (talk) 16:23, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We are having some different opinions on what would be the best titles for certain articles, in according to established community agreements and for the community's and the public interests. We are not accusing or defending any behavioral issues. Let us focus on the topic, shall we? Cfls (talk) 16:27, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I fully understand the WP:COMMONNAME policy, as well as all other polities, guidelines, and other community documents. From my point of view, I assume the university's main pages are practicing the WP:COMMONNAME policy and thus, their respective article title names are their WP:COMMONNAMEs. In this sense, I do not believe there were any problems of using the established consensus of institutional common names in their affiliate entities' articles. Cfls (talk) 16:33, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think I figured out what happened, as I explained at length on the article move page for UCSF Medical Center.

If you were studying in one of the academic fields where UC is not dominant, it's possible that you were not sufficiently exposed to the common usage among UC people of abbreviating UC campus names in the names of campus units. So if we are in that scenario, it would be improper of me to assume that such usage is common knowledge in all academic fields. And if you were unaware of that, that could explain how you could have started moving titles in good faith, and if that was the case, then I must apologize. --Coolcaesar (talk) 18:22, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Cfls, I’ve noticed your edits on Chinese universities and have seen past discussions regarding your editing behaviour. I’ve tried to review and reintegrate some of your content with reliable sources. Regarding your edits on Zhejiang Wanli University [1], I wanted to leave you a message since you’ve indicated a preference for direct discussion.

• About lead section: You reverted changes to the lead section, citing that the content was sourced. My reasoning for making these edits was that the lead overly emphasised one former name of the university (WP:UNDUE). Unless a former name is well-known, it should not be highlighted disproportionately. Typically, such details belong in the History section unless they hold significant relevance. From my review, this particular former name doesn’t seem to meet the threshold of notability, as it is not widely cited or recognised. If it is indeed notable, there should be ample reliable sources that discuss it prominently.
• Clarification on 'University' vs 'College': Your note, "To date, this institution of higher education has not been granted 'university' status but 'college' status instead," may be confusing to English-speaking readers. While I understand the distinction often made in Chinese between 學院 (xuéyuàn, "college") and 大學 (dàxué, "university"), this distinction is not currently reflected in the legal definitions. Based on my understanding, the term 普通高等学校 (general higher education institution) and 本科院校 (undergraduate institution) is now used as legal classifications [2]. The renaming from 學院 to 大學 is not considered as an upgrade, as reflected in recent notices [3]. Also, in Chinese, we refer to MIT as 麻省理工學院 (Massachusetts Institute of Technology), using the term 學院 (college), even though it functions as a university in the global context. This underscores the potential confusion when translating these terms.
• The use of English: You noted that "Use American English" as the China article on Wikipedia", but I wonder if there is any consensus regarding this. I noticed that 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre uses British English, and if there were a consensus, should it be re-written?
• About reliable sources: You mentioned, "need WP:RS and should not be WP:PRIMARY". However, upon reviewing WP:PRIMARY, it states that "Primary sources that have been reputably published may be used in Wikipedia, but only with care, because it is easy to misuse them." Most higher education institutions, by nature, are considered reputable to some degree. While it is preferable to use secondary or alternative non-primary sources, these are not always readily available. By the way, I encourage you to review the pages for National Tsing Hua University, National Taiwan University and other Taiwanese universities using the same criteria. If they do not meet your standards, it would be consistent to revise or remove content accordingly.

Let me know your thoughts, and I look forward to discussing this further. Free ori (talk) 02:44, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Your page move has been reverted as it was an undiscussed WP:PREDIRECT grab that was performed without consensus, upon request at another editor over at WP:RM/TR. Please start a full RM discussion if you still believe this move has merit. TiggerJay (talk) 15:10, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Got it. Thank you for letting me know. Cfls (talk) 15:12, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Finally got the energy to go to ANI.[4] Doug Weller talk 15:13, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The official Company name of Deepseek is Hangzhou DeepSeek Artificial Intelligence Co., Ltd. Source:https://cdn.deepseek.com/policies/en-US/deepseek-privacy-policy.html Cs haoh (talk) 07:08, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

obviously no. Cfls (talk) 20:16, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

also, read the Chinese name of the company: 杭州深度求索人工智能基础技术研究有限公司. if you do not read Chinese, use a translator. i can break it down for you: 杭州(Hangzhou) 深度求索(DeepSeek) 人工智能(Artificial Intelligence) 基础技术(Basic Technology) 研究(Research) 有限公司(Co., Ltd.). Cfls (talk) 20:18, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

你懂中文就好。我是学英文的，当一个中文翻译成其他语言时不能一个词一个词地翻译，主要根据该主体的官方翻译。所以你的这种译法完全错误。 Cs haoh (talk) 01:23, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

the deepseek company uses the name in the legal Coder Model Service Agreement and the Coder Privacy Policy. this is also the name the Supreme Court of Virginia uses (link) in a court order. Cfls (talk) 20:24, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

你提出的Coder Model Service Agreement 这个文件是2023年旧文件，而我给出的参考资料https://cdn.deepseek.com/policies/en-US/deepseek-privacy-policy.html 更新于2025年2月，很显然，Coder Model Service Agreement是过时的。 Cs haoh (talk) 01:27, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Court documents also use the company's fully translated English name: "Hangzhou DeepSeek Artificial Intelligence Basic Technology Research Co., Ltd." It is important to note that court documents are legally binding. The name "Hangzhou DeepSeek Artificial Intelligence Co., Ltd." may be seen as a short-form name, but definitely not the legal full (complete) name. Cfls (talk) 21:35, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

法院文件也不一定是正确的，除非Deepseek在法院所在国注册为该名称。总之，现在deepseek对自己公司最新的官方英文译名是Hangzhou DeepSeek Artificial Intelligence Co., Ltd.，来源已经给出了，如果阁下没有其他理由，我将在24小时后修改该页面。 Cs haoh (talk) 04:07, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your edit is not fully justified or warranted. We are still discussing the issue. Your current warning of another edit after 24 hours does not assume good faith and ignores other editors' attempts to engage in discussion with you. Your threats about further edits are a violation of community rules. You may be banned. Cfls (talk) 15:38, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

这是阁下的误解。因为我认为24小时足以跨越时差，让你反驳我的资料，如果你没有反驳，则代表我们取得了共识，所以我按此新的共识来更改。 Cs haoh (talk) 20:52, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In addition, for the purpose of this discussion, court documents are official documents with legal force and are considered independent secondary sources, which meet the definition of reliable sources on English Wikipedia. "Articles should be based on reliable, independent, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy." On the contrary, the information you proposed is a primary source, which is less reliable than that from court documents. Moreover, Wikipedia's server is located in the United States and is subject to the jurisdiction of the US courts. There is no problem in considering the court order of the Supreme Court of Virginia, USA as a more reliable source. The translation name you proposed is not endorsed by any court orders or documents. Please provide official documents from the Chinese court to prove the legitimacy of the English translation name you proposed. Cfls (talk) 15:52, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

很明显，你提出的几个参考资料中采用的都是过时的译名。Deepseek可能以前使用过你提出的英语名字。但是在2025年最新的隐私政策中，已经改为Hangzhou DeepSeek Artificial Intelligence Co,Ltd.，而隐私政策也是法律性文件。也就是说，美国法院在过去判决中提到的名字当然合法，但那已经是过去式，应该以新的法律文件中的新译名为准，名从主人。至于你提到中国法院怎么翻译这个名字，这是一个不存在的东西，中国的法院为什么要用英文阐述一个中国公司的名字？最后，请注意，正确的翻译并不都是逐字翻译的，要考虑文化等因素。 Cs haoh (talk) 21:20, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The court order of the Supreme Court of Virginia was last amended on February 18, 2025. The "DeepSeek Privacy Policy" webpage you cited was last updated on February 14, 2025. According to your argumentation of "outdated translation", the court judgment should take precedence over the primary source webpage document you cited. Cfls (talk) 02:06, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The current situation is that DeepSeek also has conflicting translations in its own published documents. We refer to multiple reliable independent secondary sources to determine the correct translation full name. Cfls (talk) 02:15, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It should be noted that your statement that "正确的翻译并不都是逐字翻译的，要考虑文化等因素 (correct translation is not always literal translation, but cultural factors should be considered)" is a statement of your opinion, not necessaily a statement of fact. This may violate Wikipedia's prohibition on original research. We are not translating a literary work, but the legal name of an organization. This has nothing to do with cultural factors in translation. Cfls (talk) 02:20, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

我只是在提醒你，正确的翻译并不都是逐字翻译。这不是原创研究，可以说是多语言使用者的常识，当然，也有很多参考资料可以佐证，我这里就不列出了。

你认为美国法院给出的名字更加可信，但是我在中国大陆使用vpn是被你给出的美国法院网站封锁的。网站封锁先不说。这里有一个问题，你认为我给出的deepseek官网的法律性文件中的英文译名应该如何解释？我不知道英文维基百科中是否有关于名从主人的规定。我认为可以采取折中的办法，你给出的逐字翻译和我给出的deepseek官方翻译都写入该条目。 Cs haoh (talk) 09:22, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Added to the explanatory notes (efn). Cfls (talk) 02:21, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]