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...once you get back home from Uni at the end of the term, any chance you could look in your Autocourse 1995-96 to help improve this? ;) D.M.N. (talk) 22:04, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. By the way, have you ever thought of making some of the Forti articles into a good topic? I think this would be possible given how you've managed to get the Forti one up to GA. You're doing great work improving the articles related to Forti. ;) D.M.N. (talk) 16:39, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
Okidokes. Just thought I'd point that out to you anyway! ;-) D.M.N. (talk) 17:11, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome; glad I could be of service, etc. I had fun doing it, though, so it wasn't really trouble. :) Vsst (talk) 05:01, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Would you mind putting the Autocourse book references for the "Standings after race" section on the 2008 German Grand Prix. I don't own a copy of this book. Thanks, Darth Newdar (talk) 17:19, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Quite. I did mean Autocourse. Silly me! Darth Newdar (talk) 17:40, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
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    The 2008 Chinese Grand Prix (formally the V Sinopec Chinese Grand Prix) was a Formula One motor race held on October 19, 2008 at the Shanghai International Circuit, Shanghai, China. It was the 17th and penultimate race of the 2008 Formula One season. The race, contested over 56 laps, was won by Lewis Hamilton for the McLaren team after starting from pole position. Ferrari driver Felipe Massa finished second, and Kimi Räikkönen was third in the other Ferrari.

    Hamilton, the eventual Drivers' Champion, led the Championship going into the race, and started from pole position alongside Räikkönen. Second in the Drivers' Championship, Massa began from third, next to Fernando Alonso of Renault. The first three drivers retained their positions into the first corner, but Alonso was passed by Hamilton's McLaren teammate Heikki Kovalainen. However, Alonso was able to regain the place midway through the first lap. Over the course of the race, Hamilton extended a considerable lead over the two Ferraris. Massa passed Räikkönen with seven laps remaining, to improve his chances of surpassing Hamilton's points tally at the final race in Brazil.

    The result extended Ferrari's lead over McLaren in the Constructors' Championship from seven to 11 points. Third-placed in the Drivers' Championship, Robert Kubica's sixth place at the Grand Prix eliminated his hopes of winning the Championship, and reduced his lead over fourth-placed Räikkönen to six points.

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    2009 Teams and Races

    2009 Teams Team Constructor Drivers Car
    United Kingdom Vodafone McLaren Mercedes McLaren United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton McLaren MP4-24
    Finland Heikki Kovalainen
    Italy Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro Ferrari Brazil Felipe Massa Ferrari F60
    Finland Kimi Räikkönen
    Germany BMW Sauber F1 Team BMW Sauber Poland Robert Kubica BMW Sauber F1.09
    Germany Nick Heidfeld
    France ING Renault F1 Team Renault Spain Fernando Alonso Renault R29
    Brazil Nelson Piquet, Jr.
    Japan Panasonic Toyota Racing Toyota Italy Jarno Trulli Toyota TF109
    Germany Timo Glock
    Italy Scuderia Toro Rosso Toro Rosso Switzerland Sébastien Buemi Toro Rosso STR4
    France Sébastien Bourdais
    Austria Red Bull Racing Red Bull Australia Mark Webber Red Bull RB5
    Germany Sebastian Vettel
    United Kingdom AT&T Williams F1 Team Williams Germany Nico Rosberg Williams FW31
    Japan Kazuki Nakajima
    Former Honda* TBA* TBA TBA*
    TBA
    India Force India F1 Team Force India Germany Adrian Sutil Force India VJM02
    Italy Giancarlo Fisichella

    *Honda Motors Ltd. have pulled out but are hoping for potential buyers

    2009 Grands Prix Grand Prix Circuit Last Winner Date
    Australia ING Australian Grand Prix Albert Park Grand Prix Circuit United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton 29 March
    Malaysia Petronas Malaysian Grand Prix Sepang International Circuit Finland Kimi Räikkönen 5 April
    China Sinopec Chinese Grand Prix Shanghai International Circuit United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton 19 April
    Bahrain Gulf Air Bahrain Grand Prix Bahrain International Circuit Brazil Felipe Massa 26 April
    Spain Gran Premio de España Telefónica Circuit de Catalunya Finland Kimi Räikkönen 10 May
    Monaco Grand Prix de Monaco Circuit de Monaco United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton 24 May
    Turkey Petrol Ofisi Turkish Grand Prix Istanbul Park Brazil Felipe Massa 7 June
    United Kingdom Santander British Grand Prix Silverstone Circuit United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton 21 June
    Germany Großer Preis von Deutschland Nürburgring United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton 12 July
    Hungary Magyar Nagydij Hungaroring Finland Heikki Kovalainen 26 July
    Europe Telefónica Grand Prix of Europe Valencia Street Circuit Brazil Felipe Massa 23 August
    Belgium ING Belgian Grand Prix Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps Brazil Felipe Massa 30 August
    Italy Gran Premio Santander d'Italia Autodromo Nazionale Monza Germany Sebastian Vettel 13 September
    Singapore SingTel Singapore Grand Prix Marina Bay Street Circuit Spain Fernando Alonso 27 September
    Japan Fuji Television Japanese Grand Prix Suzuka Circuit Spain Fernando Alonso 4 October
    Brazil Grande Prêmio do Brasil Autódromo José Carlos Pace Brazil Felipe Massa 18 October
    United Arab Emirates Etihad Airways Abu Dhabi Grand Prix Yas Marina Circuit Inaugural Race 1 November

    Cs-wolves(talk) 10:00, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

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    Issue 1 - March 2009

    Status: 2008 Japanese Grand Prix 2008 Brazilian Grand Prix 2008 Belgian Grand Prix 2008 Italian Grand Prix 2008 Chinese Grand Prix

    Explanation: Since I'm not allowed to ruthlessly take over the F1 project's newsletter (the urge is a local thing, I live in the same city Rupert Murdoch started off), I figured I could whet my appetite for doing something a little different by producing what should be a one-off newsletter. It's packed full of information about the project's *ahem* 19 articles, where they're going and who is taking them there.

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    2008 Japanese Grand Prix
    2008 Japanese Grand Prix
    2008 Brazilian Grand Prix, the final race of the 2008 Formula One season, was the first race to reach Featured article status as part of this project, after a one-comment GAN.
    The path of the 2008 Japanese Grand Prix article was not so smooth. Lasting an incredible 26 days, and making rare use of the talk page, the FAC was somewhat of a marathon, but with the help of several members of the project, and many concessions, passage was made.
    One of my favourite pictures, from the 2008 Chinese Grand Prix
    One of my favourite pictures, from the 2008 Chinese Grand Prix
    2008 Belgian Grand Prix was the first 2008 race report to attain Good article status, way back in November, after a truly horrific GAN (my first article assessment on Wikipedia, incidentally). In the end, it doesn't really matter, as I intend to carry out a major re-write on the article later this year, and have a shot at FA.
    In stark contrast, 2008 Italian Grand Prix quick-passed GAN. The reviewer suggested a trip to FAC, but as this was around the time the Japanese article was there, I had no intention on following him up on it, and still don't.
    Remember that ad for Honda (*spit*, we daren't speak their name), with the tag-line "Isn't it nice when things just work?" 2008 Chinese Grand Prix, with the exception of an infobox cite problem, passed with flying colours, thanks in no small part to the suggestions from Diniz and AlexJ.
    • Current nominations:
    2008 Bahrain Grand Prix. Great shot!
    2008 Bahrain Grand Prix. Great shot!
    After another helpful review from AlexJ, 2008 Bahrain Grand Prix is currently at GAN. Not a lot to report back here, so we'll move on.
    2008 German Grand Prix became the first peer review as part of this project to be listed by someone other than me, when Darth Newdar asked the community for suggestions. So far, reviews have come from me and AlexJ, and I believe I can speak on behalf of the Sith when I say "more, please!"

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    Another of my favourite pictures, this time from the 2008 Belgian Grand Prix
    Another of my favourite pictures, this time from the 2008 Belgian Grand Prix

    If you are reading this because you are scavenging through someone else's talk page, allow me to explain the point of this project. We are here, in our electronic capacity, to make the 2008 Formula One season a Featured topic. This means at least seven articles to FA status, and the rest to GA status. Currently, as you should have been able to work out, we have two FAs and three GAs. While content writing is the key aspect, others such as copyediting, helping with peers reviews or just pointing out where the articles are just plain wrong are quite important.

    Reminders
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    Everybody loves this picture, from the 2008 Australian Grand Prix
    Everybody loves this picture, from the 2008 Australian Grand Prix
    • If you are writing an article, don't be afraid to take your lead from the existing GAs and FAs, particularly the later ones. This includes not just the format (with one section for Practice and qualifying) but paragraphs as well; the explanation of qualifying (which most recently appeared in the Bahrain article), originally written by D.M.N., has been hammered out across several PRs and FACs, to the point that I believe it is quite watertight. It is an important explanation, because modern qualifying practices in F1 are actually fairly hard to understand if you have never come across them before.
    • There is a project userbox, if you're interested. I don't even use it, but you can if you want.
    • The status box should be updated whenever an article changes class, which I believe people have been doing to this point anyway. I also use it to indicate (with links) whether an article is at PR, GAN or FAC, so it can be quite a useful page to keep an eye on.
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    When I created the project page, I wrote that I was "fully expecting that the only name there will always be me". Four months later, we have seven users listed in the members section. I want to thank all of them for the effort they have put in so far, and to remind them that there is still a long way to go.

    Delivered on March 6, 2009 by Apterygial. If you do not wish to receive future newsletters (assuming, of course, that there will be future newsletters), please let me know on the project talk page.

    I had fun doing it, but I don't know if the project produces enough material every month to make it feasible. We'll see. Apterygial 00:04, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

    I am very embarrassed, but I made another mistake - while uploading the pics from this week's F1 testing at Jerez, I created a category for Toyota (Toyota RVX-09) that should not exist, as that is the name of the engine, not the chassis! I have already created the Toyota TF109 category, but I don´t know how to mark the RVX-09 for speed deletion - could you please do that for me? Thank you so much in advance! I have uploaded pics from the 2009 Force India and Toyota cars, and will upload a few more of those and the other cars/drivers over the weekend. Best regards, MorganaF1 (talk) 15:13, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

    A tag has been placed on Shannon Racing requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a company or corporation, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for companies and corporations.

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    Great plugging there, Diniz. ;-) I'll see if I can but for now I just wish to concentrate getting through this next fortnight before the end of term. *Sigh* I miss the old days of college where I didn't have much work and could edit Wiki for most of my time. :-( I was actually getting 'round to Tommy Bryne's article soon enough because hos story is a brilliant one to tell...just need the time. ;-) --Phill talk Edits Review this GA review! 18:53, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

    Sure. It could do with a rename, though. My one concern would be that it doesn't have the colour (verve) as the Alonso one. We could start a trend, WP:F1 changes logo every year. Apterygial 23:03, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

    No problem. The idea that GP.com was not reliable or independent was just too much to bear, and I was annoyed that the speedy was so incorrectly applied. As for the countdown on my userpage, if you could come up with less dramatic wording, that'd be great (my edit summary says it all). I'm a little excited at the moment because my DYK of Force India VJM02 currently occupies the picture slot on the main page. Apterygial 01:22, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
    Oh, and I improved the colour of the image. Apterygial 01:41, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

    I've found testing ics that are so close to us being aloud to use them. Chubbennaitor 14:53, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

    Doesn't matter, I've found a new set. Here it is anyway [1]. Chubbennaitor 15:17, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
    Yes. I said above. The link I gave you opens up better angles of some of the cars though. Chubbennaitor 15:24, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
    It's okay, just there are some great ones in both. BTW: Why can't I see my images on Flickr when I search them? [2]Chubbennaitor 15:29, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
    That set gives the Toro Rosso STR4. Chubbennaitor 15:58, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

    A bot has uploaded the last of the photos for the Catalunya test but hasn't removed the border. Did you get the bot in on this? Only asking. Chubbennaitor 08:15, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

    I'm going to it for my Birthday. YYYYYEEEEEESSSSSS. Expect a lot of low quality pictures. Chubbennaitor 19:08, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

    I'll probably meet LB22. He's going as well. I'll admit that it will be qualifying. Chubbennaitor 19:41, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

    In light of your question at WT:MII about the 2008 cars being part of the project, I was wondering if you wouldn't mind having a shot at a car article (with your Autocourse) and see if we can work out whether promoting 12 car articles is a viable target. I'd be happy to co-write the article with you if that's what you want to do. Apterygial 23:07, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

    Great! There's a couple of FAs and GAs that can be used as a base (Brabham BT19 and Brabham BT46, though they are radically different in structure). The car articles are also interesting from a sporting point of view because they give us a chance to tell a whole season from the team's perspective, rather than the whole field a race at a time. Apterygial 23:21, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
    My suggestion would be something uncontroversial, probably a midfield car (Red Bull RB4, Toyota TF108 or Williams FW30). No point doing a Toro Rosso before a Red Bull, anyway. Apterygial 23:24, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

    Hi, I am currently sorting out the 2008 German Grand Prix article, and I would be interested in your opinions of the article. By the way, D.M.N has done the Autocourse refs for me.

    Darth Newdar (talk) 17:27, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

    Thanks loads for your suggestions! I have done most of them, and I'll continue to do the others. If you'd be able to source McLaren's new car feature, that would be great! Darth Newdar (talk) 12:24, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
    Thanks a lot for that contribution, it makes the whole background section look better! Just wondering, but are there any quotes from any McLaren team members/Hamilton/Kovalainen? They'd be good to have, if there are any. I have now done all the things you suggested to do, so I wondered whether you'd have a go at copyediting the article, and making the writing better? That would be very useful before I go to GAN with it. Thanks, Darth Newdar (talk) 15:01, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
    Thank you for those quotes, I have used one of them as a quotebox in the race section. You can have a go at copyediting it now. Darth Newdar (talk) 08:20, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

    By. i've just had enough. Chubbennaitor 21:22, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

    Hi Diniz,

    I attended a recent BTCC Media Day & have uploaded some of my images to Wiki Commons, I am looking for some help with putting these images in the right places on Wikipedia. I have seen that you have done some work with the motorsport/BTCC pages, I hope you don't mind me contacting you.

    If you could help & show me how best to organise & distribute my images I would be most grateful. I will be attending a number of events this year taking (hopefully) lots of good photos, so it would be helpful if I knew what I was doing now rather than when I have a ton of images to sort.

    I really believe in Wikipedia & Wiki Commons as knowledge repositories & would like to spread the wealth - as it were. If you can point me towards help that would also be most appreciated.

    Appreciate you reading this.

    Thanks Michael Darkroomwithaview

    Wikimedia Commons conributions Wikipedia contributions —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkroomwithaview (talkcontribs) 15:01, 26 March 2009 (UTC)


    Thanks for your reply & the template help. I'm still getting used to the way Wiki' works from a contributors position - sorry for not leaving the 4x~ last time.

    I should have a load more pictures for Wiki Commons after next weeks BTCC 1st round at Brands Hatch :D

    Cheers Michael Darkroomwithaview Darkroomwithaview (talk) 00:23, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

    I've posted somethng on your WM account about photos. I have work to do and I was wondering, if you're available, whether you could upload them. Chubbennaitor 16:38, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

    No I haven't. :( Could you by any chance scan the page(s) when you get a minute. No worries it you can't do it immediately, I'll probably be on "irregular sleep pattern" this weekend! Also, at some point, could you look in your Autocourse for 1995 European Grand Prix? Thanks. D.M.N. (talk) 19:14, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

    E-mail sent. ;-)
    Yep, sure, that's absolutely fine with me! D.M.N. (talk) 16:01, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
    I was just about to ask "Why isn't it in my inbox?". :P D.M.N. (talk) 16:16, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
    Recieved. Thanks. D.M.N. (talk) 16:35, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

    As you have this week's Autosport, any chance you could enter it into the library with a brief description? Thanks. D.M.N. (talk) 20:03, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

    Ah, OK. Fair enough. :) D.M.N. (talk) 21:27, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
    Any chance for a link? BTW, dunno whether you've noticed this or this in the past week which will almost certainly be handy for past race reports (as well as the other mini videos). Nice to hear that theme back. ;) D.M.N. (talk) 19:30, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
    Aaah. Some of the Europe ones been taken down. :( D.M.N. (talk) 07:26, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

    I saw the way that colours had been used in the entry list of Indycar seasons to show the colour schemes of the cars. I decided it owuld be a good idea to move this across to the WRC, WTCC, V8 Supercar and BTCC pages. I never recieved any objections to these, with people making changes where and adding colours to new entries where neccessary, without any objections.

    I added colours to the F1 2009 table last Friday, but they were hastily removed by LeaveSleaves, claiming they were distracting. I have not taken this up with him because I know he dislikes the idea, but I was wondering if you thought this was a good idea, to bring continuity amongst motor racing season articles, or whether LeaveSleaves' view was the general opinion. Thanks for your helpPetera93 (talk) 17:38, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

    I did what you suggested and raised my idea at WT:F1. However, I was able to make a verdict within an hour of the suggestion, this being a unanimous 'NO'. Thanks for your help-Petera93 (talk) 18:53, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

    I've discovered this set sooo close to what we allow. [3]Chubbennaitor 16:51, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

    has changed his licensing. Chubbennaitor 06:38, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

    Yes. I didn't upload all of them. LeaveSleaves uploaded all but two of which I did. Chubbennaitor 14:44, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

    I can't force you to do either one, it comes down to which one you find more interesting. The Renault is a good choice; it's probably the most interesting car from last year (what the hell did they do?) but Hungary was also fairly exciting (confusing for me, too, I was house sitting and the TV cut of the top and bottom of the picture, so I couldn't see the placings or the laps remaining). Assuming that at some point you are going to do both, I don't mind, but I am looking forward to seeing how a car article would go. Apterygial 22:58, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

    I'm beginning to think they will have to included regardless, I can't imagine going to WP:FTC and saying we didn't do the car articles because they were too hard! Apterygial 23:06, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

    If I'm brutally honest, I was hoping this would be met with a resounding "that's an excellent idea for an article"! I'll give Forti a PR within the next few days, and then it's off to the wonderful world of essays... Apterygial 06:33, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

    One little niggle. [4] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chubbennaitor (talkcontribs)

    I haven't done anything for that comment though. Plus I think he's made me go mad, yes, mad, thats a funny wrju isa't irx. Chubbennaitor 17:30, 1 April 2009 (UTC)/~/~

    Looks good so far. I hate to be a pain, but any chance you could "transfer" that kind of table over to the Pacific and Japan articles? =O

    Looking through, it looks good so far, one thing of mention though "Williams opted to race its FW17 chassis in "B"" is in the "Race" part, but I feel it should be in the "Background" part like how it was laid out in the Pacific article. Would be nice also to have a Benetton mention (or Ferrari) of any chassis developments if possible.

    Just wondering, if they used the B car for Europe... am I right in saying they used it for the remainder of the season? If so, it'd be best to change the line in the Aida article just to note its the B version.

    Also, FORIX requires log-in, which may prove difficult if at FAC.

    Again, many thanks for doing this Diniz. :) D.M.N. (talk) 17:35, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

    Yeah, please change the tables in the Pacific and Japan articles if thats OK. Don't do the other 1995 articles as they haven't been fully-expanded yet. It's probably worth bringing it up at WT:F1; can't see anyone really disagreeing with it to be honest, but you never know. ;)
    Ah, OK (regarding FW17B). Pitty there isn't anything in there about Benetton/Ferrari.
    That was the first I'd heard of it as well.. never noticed it on any other site! I guess it's better than nothing, if it gets questioned we'll just have to say that no other sites have that data. Reliability shouldn't be a problem as its under the Autosport banner.
    I brought up the point of event covers at WT:F1 a while back here and you raised it here. I don't think its needed, it doesn't really serve much purpose to the article TBH. D.M.N. (talk) 18:20, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
    I don't think for the 1995 race report articles it is really needed, as it is focusing on one particular section... for the 1995 race reports the references are from a particular section in a book, not from all over (in most cases). D.M.N. (talk) 12:09, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
    Also, is the Barrichello/doping stuff related to this? May want to make a note of the other drivers' tested. D.M.N. (talk) 18:27, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

    I'm guessing there's a page in the Autocourse which has a "summary" in it? If so, how could I possibly reference this? if there is a summary/team-by-team guide, could you tell me the page numbers which I'd need to reference? Thanks in advance. D.M.N. (talk) 17:50, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

    Thanks for that. Regarding the Pacific test driver... hmmm. This forum source points towards the test drivers being Katsumi Yamamoto and Paul Belmondo. The only article regarding Oliver Gavin/Pacific test driver I can find is this... but that appears to be for the 1994 season which doesn't help that much. I think the best thing to do maybe is just change it to n/a unless a (unlikely) concrete source comes to light?
    Also, I thought I'd test something. Look at the references section in my sandbox. Note what I've tried and successfully done with the Autocourse refs? I might try and convert that over for the 1995 European articles, so each ref would be like for a specific section, i.e. "1995 Japanese Grand Prix: Qualifying" or "1995 Pacific Grand Prix: Hill launches tirade"... dunno how that'd work... I think it might work well... which may mean the refs for the Pacific/Japan articles may need to be restructured. Just a suggestion though. ;) D.M.N. (talk) 16:40, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
    Right, I'm going to test it out on the 1995 Pacific Grand Prix article... are the chapter names just generic (i.e. Pacific Grand Prix) or are they descriptive (i.e. Schumacher wins in Aida). If they are descriptive, what are the exact names of the last few race chapters in the book? Thanks. D.M.N. (talk) 17:11, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
    BTW, the sortable function for the "new" qualifying table layouts in the Pacific/Japan/Europe article [in sandbox] and Imola 1994 is dead, the function isn't working. Dunno whether it's a browser related issue (I use Firefox). D.M.N. (talk) 20:31, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
    I'll store the contents away somewhere safe. ;-) Many thanks for that, I appreciate it.
    I'll remove the sortable feature, seeing as it appears that it does not work on some browsers. D.M.N. (talk) 20:48, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
    Oooh, that's good to know, that'll hopefully help us give a bit of variety in terms of book source: Autocourse, Formula 1 Yearbook and a few Schumacher books of my own... which, flicking through them earlier will come in handy for several rounds (notably Brazil, Imola and Britain). I've also got on my hard drive an Autosport edition from 1995... the Monaco GP Preview which has a handy feature of Mansell in it, so that can be put to good use. ;-) D.M.N. (talk) 21:18, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
    Nice memory flasback there. ;) "Unfortunately, Autocourse doesn't mention any of this." - well hopefully the other yearbook on order mentions some of it! Just as a FYI, you'll note me adding content to the Brazil and Argentine articles tomorrow as there is quite a bit in Schumacher's book(s) that I have which is quite relevant to these races. ;-) D.M.N. (talk) 21:03, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

    Looks very good... many thanks as always for doing this. As you've helped me expand it, if it does get a shiny star, you can display the shiny star on your userpage as without the Autocourse book... I'd probably be no where with this! I've made a few minor changes in your sandbox, mainly just for consistency (changing cite news to cite web; changing grandprix.com to GrandPrix.com/InsideF1) and so the minor niggles don't get brought up in FAC. I've also put some of the quotes either in {{quote}} or {{quote box}}, mainly so that they stand out more, I personally think quotes are one of the most important thing, hence why its good to have them in a quotebox. I think FORIX will pass RS at FAC, as its a "part" of Autosport... hopefully some of the things currently covered in the FORIX refs are noted in the Formula 1 Yearbook annual you've got on order! ;)

    As far as I'm concerned, you can shift it into the main space (the only thing that needs adding is another paragraph or two in the lead). I'm not going to go for a peer review... simply because the process there seems extremely slow... I think I'll head straight for GA and on the basis of the GA pass (hopefully!) go to PR or FAC. D.M.N. (talk) 08:38, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

    I noticed with your new table was that Rubens Barrichello has a 14minute qualifying laptime. In the previous table, it showed him as not having set a time. Just wanted to check this out - I can't see how you'd be able to get a completed lap this long. AlexJ (talk) 18:21, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

    It's strange because I'm pretty sure both those situations (receiving outside assistance and going through the pitlane) would result in the laptime being invalid. If that's what the sources say however, then I guess we've got to go with them. AlexJ (talk) 20:38, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
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    The 2008 German Grand Prix (formally the LXVIII Großer Preis Santander von Deutschland) was a Formula One motor race held on July 20, 2008 at the Hockenheimring, Hockenheim, Germany. It was the 10th race of the 2008 Formula One season. The race, contested over 67 laps, was won by Lewis Hamilton for the McLaren team after starting from pole position. Nelson Piquet, Jr. finished second in a Renault car, with Felipe Massa third in a Ferrari.

    Hamilton maintained his startline advantage and led until he made his first pit stop on lap 18. As other cars made their pit stops, Hamilton regained the lead on lap 22. On lap 36 Timo Glock crashed, and the race was neutralized by the deployment of the safety car. Hamilton, on a two-stop strategy, did not stop to get more fuel during this period, while all the cars around him did. Thus when he did eventually stop on lap 50, he rejoined the race in fifth. In the closing stages of the race, Hamilton overtook first his team-mate Heikki Kovalainen, then Massa, and finally Piquet, to take the lead again on lap 60, which he maintained to win the race.

    The victory was Hamilton's second consecutive win, having won the preceding British Grand Prix at Silverstone. The win put him ahead of his two main rivals in the Drivers' Championship, Kimi Räikkönen (who finished sixth) and Massa of Ferrari, who were on equal points with him before the race. After the race he was four points ahead of Räikkönen, and seven ahead of Massa. In the Constructors' Championship, McLaren drew closer to the two teams ahead of them, BMW Sauber and Ferrari. Ferrari still led by 15 points from McLaren, and 12 from BMW, whose drivers – Nick Heidfeld and Robert Kubica – finished fourth and seventh respectively.

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    Drivers' Championship Position Driver Team Points
    1st United Kingdom Jenson Button Brawn GP 15
    2nd Brazil Rubens Barrichello Brawn GP 10
    3rd Italy Jarno Trulli Toyota 8.5
    4th Germany Timo Glock Toyota 8
    5th Germany Nick Heidfeld BMW 4
    6th Spain Fernando Alonso Renault 4
    7th Germany Nico Rosberg WilliamsF1 3.5
    8th Switzerland Sébastien Buemi Toro Rosso 2
    9th Australia Mark Webber Red Bull 1.5
    10th United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1
    11th France Sébastien Bourdais Toro Rosso 1
    12th Germany Adrian Sutil Force India 0
    13th Brazil Felipe Massa Ferrari 0
    14th Italy Giancarlo Fisichella Force India 0
    15th Japan Kazuki Nakajima WilliamsF1 0
    16th Germany Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 0
    17th Brazil Nelson Piquet, Jr. Renault 0
    18th Finland Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari 0
    19th Poland Robert Kubica BMW 0
    20th Finland Heikki Kovalainen McLaren 0
    Constructors' Championship Position Constructor Entered Chassis Points
    1st United Kingdom Virgin Brawn GP F1 Team BGP 001 25
    2nd Japan Panasonic Toyota Racing TF109 16.5
    3rd Germany BMW Sauber F1 Team F1.09 4
    4th France ING Renault F1 Team R29 4
    5th United Kingdom AT&T WilliamsF1 Team FW31 3.5
    6th Italy Scuderia Toro Rosso STR4 3
    7th Austria Red Bull Racing RB5 1.5
    8th United Kingdom Vodafone McLaren Mercedes MP4-24 1
    9th Italy Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro F60 0
    10th India Force India F1 Team VJM02 0

    See 2009 Formula One season for more information

    Australia Australian Grand Prix Driver Constructor Race Time
    1st United Kingdom Jenson Button United Kingdom Brawn GP 1:34:15.784
    2nd Brazil Rubens Barrichello United Kingdom Brawn GP +0.807#
    3rd Italy Jarno Trulli Japan Toyota +1.604†
    4th Germany Timo Glock Japan Toyota +4.435
    5th Spain Fernando Alonso France Renault +4.879
    6th Germany Nico Rosberg United Kingdom WilliamsF1 +5.722
    7th Switzerland Sébastien Buemi Italy Toro Rosso +6.004
    8th France Sébastien Bourdais Italy Toro Rosso +6.298
    9th Germany Adrian Sutil India Force India +6.335
    10th Germany Nick Heidfeld Germany BMW Sauber +7.085
    Australian Grid Line up Driver Constructor Time Weight
    Row one United Kingdom Jenson Button United Kingdom Brawn GP 1:26.202 664.5kg
    Brazil Rubens Barrichello United Kingdom Brawn GP 1:26.505 666.5kg
    Row two Germany Sebastian Vettel Austria Red Bull 1:26.830 657kg
    Poland Robert Kubica Germany BMW Sauber 1:26.914 650kg
    Row three Germany Nico Rosberg United Kingdom WilliamsF1 1:26.973 657kg
    Brazil Felipe Massa* Italy Ferrari* 1:27.033* 654kg*
    Row four Finland Kimi Räikkönen Italy Ferrari 1:27.163 655.5kg
    Australia Mark Webber* Austria Red Bull* 1:27.246* 662kg*
    Row five Germany Nick Heidfeld Germany BMW Sauber 1:25.504 (Q2) 691.5kg
    Spain Fernando Alonso France Renault 1:25.605 (Q2) 680.7kg
    Malaysia Malaysian Grand Prix Driver Constructor Race Time
    1st United Kingdom Jenson Button United Kingdom Brawn GP 55:30.622
    2nd Germany Nick Heidfeld Germany BMW Sauber +22.722
    3rd Germany Timo Glock Japan Toyota +23.513
    4th Italy Jarno Trulli Japan Toyota +46.173
    5th Brazil Rubens Barrichello United Kingdom Brawn GP +47.360
    6th Australia Mark Webber Austria Red Bull +52.333
    7th United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton United Kingdom McLaren +1:00.733
    8th Germany Nico Rosberg United Kingdom WilliamsF1 +1:11.576
    9th Brazil Felipe Massa Italy Ferrari +1:16.932
    10th France Sébastien Bourdais Italy Toro Rosso +1:42.164
    Malaysian Grid Line up Driver Constructor Time Weight
    Row one United Kingdom Jenson Button United Kingdom Brawn GP 1:35.181 660kg
    Italy Jarno Trulli Japan Toyota 1:35.273 656.5kg
    Row two Germany Timo Glock* Japan Toyota* 1:35.690* 656.5kg
    Germany Nico Rosberg^ United Kingdom WilliamsF1^ 1:35.750^ 656kg
    Row three Australia Mark Webber Austria Red Bull 1:35.797 656kg
    Poland Robert Kubica Germany BMW Sauber 1:36.106 663kg
    Row four Finland Kimi Räikkönen Italy Ferrari 1:36.170 662.5kg
    Brazil Rubens Barrichello^ United Kingdom Brawn GP^ 1:35.651^ 664.5kg
    Row five Spain Fernando Alonso France Renault 1:37.659 680.5kg
    Germany Nick Heidfeld Germany BMW Sauber 1:34.769 (Q2) 692kg

    * Sebastian Vettel (3rd, 1:35.518) got a 10 place grid penalty for his collision with Kubica at the previous Grand Prix. [7]
    ^ Rubens Barrichello (4th, 1:35.651) got a 5 place grid penalty for a gearbox change. [8]

    Cs-wolves(talk) 12:33, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

    When you have a mo, could you take a peek at 1995 Brazilian Grand Prix#Background and add a bit of "skin" to it with detail from the Autocourse book? Kind regards, D.M.N. (talk) 21:08, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

    Also, does your Autocourse book above practice and qualifying times have something about the condition for each session "i.e. Conditions: Dry" or something along those lines? If so, what does it have for the Brazil sessions? And is there a bit in the book with "Rules and regulations"... need to source the practice and quali session length for Brazil, unfortunately Gale Force F1 only started up in mid-season so there's not much for the first part of the year! D.M.N. (talk) 17:22, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
    Okidokes. Thanks for that. :) D.M.N. (talk) 17:39, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
    That's good to know... I actually have 'Formula 1 Yearbook for the years 1997 right until 2007. Quite the collection. ;)
    For Brazil 1995, I think I've done most of the Background... probably needs one or two extra bits adding, possibly quotes from the title rivals if possible. Europe 1995 BTW is up for GA, hopefully that gets reviewed sometime soon. As you may have gathered, I've grabbed hold of copies for the Brazil race (BBC) and Quali 1 (Eurosport) which is helping a lot. :) D.M.N. (talk) 07:33, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

    Thanks for finishing the Background for us... I'll trim it down a bit later. If there are important bits which could go in the season article, I'll move it from the Brazil article to the main season article. BTW, are there any quotes from Schumacher or Hill on how they think the season will go? Thanks, D.M.N. (talk) 08:10, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

    I've trimmed it down a bit also.. I've moved one or two bits into the main season article so I don't have to go round searching for refs if/when I revamp the season article. ;-) I've finished the "Practice and qualifying" section... the only thing that needs adding is a quick summary of the practice times from the Saturday morning session. D.M.N. (talk) 10:54, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

    I'm guessing based on your recent edits to the Brazil article that you have your Autocourse on you? ;-)
    If so, would you mind, at some point, adding a brief rundown for the Saturday morning practice session as the leading positions are not noted in any of the Eurosport commentary that I have. D.M.N. (talk) 21:16, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
    Good good! ;-) To be honest, my contributions will be very erratic as well come middle of May, go back to Sixth Form on Monday, then AS-level exams start middle of May, so contributions will be quite erratic. D.M.N. (talk) 21:37, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
    That's a good point, something which I'd previously not thought about. I think we should still keep it in one section (practice and qualifying) but just lay it out a little bit differently. I'm not sure if we should put down a running order though for Qualifying 1, because the reader may become confused with having two different 'sets' of qualifying times if you get what I'm saying. Hmm, not sure now. Maybe FP1 >> Schumacher detail in Qualifying 1 [just purely on Schumacher; without mentioning anyone else] >> Saturday Practice >> Qualifying.... I don't want to get into a situation where the reader becomes... confused with two sets of qualifying times; hence why the qualifying "times" are best summed up in one paragraph. D.M.N. (talk) 22:01, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

    Good work there; like the layout for the Practice and Qualifying section (although suggest this is just a one off case for this race). I don't think the generic description is needed from "Katayama and Mika Salo proved evenly-matched for Tyrrell............... in the second Footwork." for the second qualifying part as it isn't of particular noteworthy I don't think. I can see why the Barrichello bit is noteworthy because of the 1st Brazil GP since Senna death; and with the Simteks because of the red flag; and Fortis because its there debut, but don't really see need for the description involving Tyrrells, Minardis and Ligiers to be in there. D.M.N. (talk) 17:03, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

    If you've got a mo, could you take a look at this little piece I scribbled off? Thank you dreadfully. (MII marches ever on!) :) Apterygial 14:10, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

    Thanks for the copyedit. I'm a little off my feet at the moment with RL stuff, so I won't take the article to PR until next week. I don't know when you are planning on taking Forti to FAC, but if you wait until Tuesday I can finish off my copyedit. Good luck with the Renault article; I'm looking forward to finding out why they were the first people to put that hideous shark fin on the car (though they are by no means as culpable as Honda for those ram's horns...) Apterygial 07:00, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
    Just got my Autocourse, very inconvenient time, so you can let me know if you need anything from it. Apterygial 00:32, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

    Hi

    Apologies for this, I don't know if you're able to help me...

    The article "Brook Johnston"... basically I'm pretty convinced is a complete hoax, not a real person. Similar opinions have been recently raised on a motorsport forum.

    Hence, I want to see it deleted from Wikipedia! I put a article for deletion tag on it a few days ago, with an explanation. Noticed today this tag, along with other tags (including the hoax tag) were removed by an un-named IP user with no explanations. Can you advise how to proceed or help get this article deleted?

    Many thanks Oli.meggitt (talk) 17:45, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

    Am I the unluckiest image uploader alive? every deal I've struck someone has uploaded the images before me. It doesn't help my internet didn;'t work. ann64 was my latest deal. Chubbennaitor 15:57, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

    I can see that. Chubbennaitor 16:34, 21 April 2009 (UTC)