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Drama Desk Award for Sound Design templates

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 15:10, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Template:DramaDesk SoundDesignMusical (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:DramaDesk SoundDesignPlay (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:DramaDesk SoundDesign (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Limited navigational benefit, only a handful of winners with articles amidst a sea of unlinked text. WP:EXISTING; WP:WTAF; WP:NENAN. --wooden superman 10:44, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. We shouldn't pick and choose what we think is a good award to allow a navigation template and what isn't. The current rule is if the award has an article (for example, Drama Desk Award for Outstanding Sound Design), and the award winners have articles, then the navigation template is valid. As a side note, I once was a fan of these award templates (and I think I might have created a few myself), but now think that these are better suited for categories and lists. But that is something that should be handled in a much wider discussion. Gonnym (talk) 12:45, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

They still fail WP:NENAN's "rule of five" though. --wooden superman 16:39, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep for failure to perform WP:BEFORE. I was able to create threesix new articles for notable (mostly Tony Award–winning) sound designers listed in {{DramaDesk SoundDesignMusical}}, so I suspect that more of these people are notable. The three navboxes should be merged, though, since the "Musical" and "Play" awards were forked from the original "Best Sound Design" award. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:12, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
With the creation of the new articles, and the suggested merge, I'm happy to withdraw nomination. However, WP:BEFORE isn't the issue, WP:WTAF is what should have happened by the template creator. --wooden superman 09:18, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. WTAF is an essay. I recognize that WP:BEFORE is intended for articles, but the spirit of it, especially "If the article can be fixed through normal editing, then it is not a candidate for AfD" applies here. It was trivial to determine the notability of half a dozen people in these templates and create properly referenced stub articles for them. Note to closer: A close of keep would be fine; I would also be happy to merge these templates, per my note above. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:29, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete SounDesignPlay. Still hasn't met the merits of navigation. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:00, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Again, it was trivial to find another notable person to link to in this navbox and create an article for them. I would not be surprised if every person in this navbox meets Wikipedia's notability standards. A little WP:BEFORE would be helpful instead of just counting links. And again, I will be happy to merge these navboxes, which is probably the best outcome. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:11, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
keep for now since new particles have been added. merging is also an interesting option, but we should start a new discussion for that. Frietjes (talk) 18:38, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 15:10, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Template:DramaDesk MusicalFeaturedPerformance (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No navigational benefit, only one winner with an article. WP:EXISTING; WP:WTAF; WP:NENAN. --wooden superman 10:42, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. No point in creating a navigation template for an award that was just handed this year. There should be a few articles before this needed. Gonnym (talk) 12:47, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. It seems to me that this template is up for deletion, because one of the two names doesn't have an article. We know that the template is going to grow in the next few years when more names are added (with articles). SibTower1987 (talk) 16:32, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's up for deletion because it is a navigation template which provides no navigational benefit! See WP:NENAN which recommends a "rule of five". --wooden superman 16:38, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We actually don't know - WP:CRYSTAL. Gonnym (talk) 21:13, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with {{DramaDesk MusicalFeaturedActor}} and {{DramaDesk MusicalFeaturedActress}}. Those two awards have been retired and replaced with this single award. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:39, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per Jonesey. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:00, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I'm seeing suggestions about merging. Are you going to suggest the same thing for Template:DramaDesk MusicalLeadPerformance, Template:DramaDesk PlayLeadPerformance, and Template:DramaDesk PlayFeaturedPerformance? Even though the current winners are an actor and an actress, next year the winner could be just one performer and the year after that. We should let the template stand (for now) and have a chance to grow. A lot of award groups are doing gender neutral performance categories and templates have been created for them too. (talk) 16:39, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merging those templates with their predecessors (e.g. {{DramaDesk MusicalActor}}) also sounds like a good idea. I'll be happy to implement those merges if this discussion is closed as "merge". – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:12, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
merge per Jonesey95 since that would provide less fragmented navigation. Frietjes (talk) 18:36, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. 1) Arguments of WP:CRYSTAL are just as guilty of assuming that that the Drama Desk organization will change its mind and revert to the previous actor/actress categories. The merged gender neutral award is the official award, deserves its own template. If another change happens in the future, then open a discussion at that time, taking into account whatever conditions may exist in that (possible) future situation. 2) Arguments for merging ignores that this is a standalone award, with a relationship to the previous two but still its own award. Would also create a massive template with actor history, actress history, and the new award name history. Is there precedence, with more than one or two years of "new merged award" history, from some other theatre or sports awards? I note, in a related but reversed example, that neither Template:DramaDesk PlayDirection nor Template:DramaDesk MusicalDirection include the 1955 to 1974 history found in Template:DramaDesk Director (which is also silent about the two awards that replace it), as the three awards are distinct despite a somewhat connected history. Standalone awards, thus standalone templates. Jmg38 (talk) 05:38, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The result of the discussion was move to userspace Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 15:09, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Campaignbox Belgian Revolution (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused but even if it would be used there is 1 article and 1 blank draft article. Gonnym (talk) 10:57, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:29, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm taking my time because these templates aren't easy , people most likely wont even accept it too the actual belgian revolution article thats why im taking my time with it , so please just give me time im working on it , i'm doing my hardest , knowing wikipedia its strict here so i'm trying my absolute hardest. Dre5860 (talk) 01:59, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Im sorry but theres no need too delete the template seeing as im already working on it , ive just got done make another battle and im working on a new word. theres no need to threaten a whole deletion on a template thats getting worked on. Dre5860 (talk) 01:58, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm currently working on the last page until i publish it too the Belgian revolution article

so theres no need thanks i have my sources and i got my proof so theres no need Dre5860 (talk) 02:03, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 03:28, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Userify since it is a work in progress. --Minorax^«¦talk¦» 13:18, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
move to userspace, not used, but could be used in the future. Frietjes (talk) 17:56, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]